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DVA1194
Senior Captain, MD-88
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Posted onPost created on
May 04 2004 19:29 ET by Matthew Sisson
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What are the laws on landing helicopters at certain areas. Are you aloud to land in an open field next to a restraunt to eat...or land in an open space next to a baseball game(HS) and walk over and watch? What are the laws that state heli operation?
Also, has anyone mastered the art of flying heli's on FS? I have such a hard time(never landed where I wanted to successfully)???
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DVA1427
Senior Captain, MD-11
OLP
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May 04 2004 21:07 ET by Lewis Gregory
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I wouldn't think that helicopters could just land anywhere they wanted, but then again, if they're VFR and not under ATC, maybe they can. The people eating outside at that restaurant might not like your rotor wash blowing their napkins all over the place, though! 
As for flying them in FS, it's hard. REAL hard. I've asked people the same question and mainly what they've told me is to turn the realism settings down a couple notches, it's just too difficult at 100% realism because you don't have the body feedback, the actual sensations of the helicopter moving. I've seen several people who have helicopter ratings in real life say that it's *easier* for them to fly it in real life than on FS, just like some people say it's actually easier to fly a 172 in real life than in FS, because it's so much easier to just feel what the plane/helo is doing in RL. You don't have that physical feedback loop flying a computer. (I'd be curious to hear what our RL pilots and student pilots think of flying light planes for real vs. in FS.)
The best site out there for FS helicopter junkies is hovercontrol.com. If it's got a rotor, they've got it, tons of helicopter downloads and tutorials as well.
Lewis GregorySenior Captain, MD-11
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DVA018
Senior Captain, MD-11
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Posted onPost created on
May 05 2004 00:38 ET by Larry Hart
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They are probably able to land anywhere you are willing to accept the liabilities for a bd landing or destroyed property....Matt, I've been flying alot of helicopters lately too, fun stuff.... wish someone would come up with a Chinook to fly.
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DVA1322
Senior Captain, B767-300
Joined on September 10 2003
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May 05 2004 02:27 ET by Mark Mestre
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To answer your question.....uhh..no... we can't just land anyplace. Helicopter operations are governed under the same rules that govern all VFR flight. The rules for flying over populated areas are the same as for fixed wing aircraft. There are some exceptions to that rule....ie..traffic pattern altitudes are of course much lower, and our take off and landing criteria are also different since we're able to make an approach much slower than a plane can. Where it gets interesting is that when you fly in open area where there isn't much population to speak of then you have the ability to fly as low as your aircraft will permit (based on safe autorotation alititudes, so that figure can vary with the type of helicopter you're flying).
Normally, helicopter operations, for me, are conducted in the same way that you see anyone else do them and for IFR, they're exactly the same. The only major difference is the take off and landing (there's also a few other things done differently, but won't bore you with that stuff!).
As far as flying helicopters in FS, I will agree that it's much harder to do than in real life, but not so much from a no seat of your pants feel (although that factors in as well), but more from a lack of visual reference point of view. In a helicopter you have great visibility...above, below and to either side. In FS you just don't have that so judging rate of descent and closeure become very difficult to determine. It did take me quite a while to master the helicopter in FS....and that's over 1500 hours of RL helicopter flying talking! Keep at it...and good luck!
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DVA1583
Senior Captain, MD-11
OLP
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Posted onPost created on
May 05 2004 03:27 ET by Charly Azcue
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If anyone want to fly an helicopter in FS I recommend to check this site.
www.hovercontrol.com
There is a lot of info, hows to, real helos pilots in the forum, videos, links, etc.
Hey Mark, if you are allowed send some pics of your hawk, I really like that helo.
What version you are flying? UH, EH, HH, or the MH "Velcro Hawk"?
Best Regards
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DVA1322
Senior Captain, B767-300
Joined on September 10 2003
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Posted onPost created on
May 05 2004 04:13 ET by Mark Mestre
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| Sure I can send some! Give me a few days and I'll have a POP mail account and will send some out to you (at least what I have with me right now lol!). I fly the UH...although essentially they're all the same aicraft. The EH has A/C and the MH is radically different on the inside....I think they have glass cockpits now, or are close to getting that mod, not sure. The AF version, the pave hawk, is also quite different. As far as handling and flight dynamics, they're all pretty much in the same ball park. The older Alpha 'A' models are the weaker ones, with the GE T700 engines. The newer models have the T701C with improved transmission modules and are a great improvement. In the Blackhawk community that's where we draw the line on difference, whether it's an 'A' or 'L' model.
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DVA1651
Senior Captain, MD-11
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May 05 2004 08:36 ET by James Marshall
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Acctually, I've seen a helecoptor parked at the restraunt right down the road from where I am now, that would be school. I haven't seen it in a while so I don't know if he/she got in trouble or not. I kinda miss that ole' chopper. Anyways, there was also an article in our paper a while back about a man who had gotten his rotory craft lisence and said that it was great cause you can land almost anywhere you want to and he said something about flying into a restraunt and eating.
James MarshallSenior Captain, MD-11
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DVA1650
Captain, L-1011-100
Joined on April 24 2004
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Posted onPost created on
May 05 2004 12:44 ET by Daniel Malneritch
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I know someone who's neighbor has a chopper and lands it in his backyard!
The R22 on the FS is very easy to fly.
Daniel MalneritchCaptain, L-1011-100
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DVA1580
Captain, B767-300
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May 05 2004 17:01 ET by Scott Breuer
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I watched a Heli land in a field. One person went into Long Johns and two went into wal mart. Also, The army does alot of MJ searches in the mountians here. At night they land in a field and stay in a hotel at night.
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DVA1194
Senior Captain, MD-88
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Posted onPost created on
May 05 2004 17:55 ET by Matthew Sisson
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| The reason I asked this question is b/c's I've seen a heli parked in one of the mall parking lots and one in a field just out side of intererben and was wandering if there was some law or if they're doing it at their own risk
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DVA455
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Posted onPost created on
May 05 2004 18:03 ET by Ryan Watkins
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Are you on The Rock now, Mark? I've got 4 more months. Don't forget about the beers in Seoul; first round's on me!
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DVA1322
Senior Captain, B767-300
Joined on September 10 2003
Double Century Club
Fairbanks, AK USA
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Posted onPost created on
May 06 2004 00:06 ET by Mark Mestre
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Well, to add a little more info to what I said.....we can always get permission to land in fields, etc., but being military, that doesn't happen often, because the Army has to assume liability if something goes wrong, or we damage something (and in a UH60, that can easily happen....lots of rotor wash!) I have landed jet rangers at little spots in Alaska where we'd stop for lunch, in fact I still have a picture of two of us that were parked next to a couple gas pumps in the parking lot (it was small), but again, that was at our risk, and if something would have happened, it would have ended our careers. Something to keep in mind...so most often, yes you can land where you want, but you accept the responsibilty for what happens afterward!!
Ryan!!! Dude, I'm here! Bring nose plugs.....it stinks here....literally! But safe and sound, and you're on! Apparently, Osan is a pretty good place to be, with all they have there, but there's also Dragon Hill Lodge in YongSan that's right in the middle of Seoul... I'm waiting for you!! Talk to you soon!
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