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DVA210
First Officer, B777-200

Joined on August 07 2001
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South America

111 legs, 617.0 hours
45 legs, 256.9 hours online
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Posted onPost created on March 25 2005 12:45 ET by Nicolas Garcia-Huidobro

Hi,
Does anybody knows what's the cost index used by real Delta on the 767?. Also does real Delta have any "rule" in which cases to use ECON CRZ and in which cases to use LRC CRZ?

Thanks

DVA2192
Senior Captain, A320
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1,667 legs, 3,076.4 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on March 25 2005 12:56 ET by Richard Walsh

the normal cost index is 70. Some may use 80. It just sets your speed and descent in FMC. On long hauls they can go as low as 50. I personally find 70 to be the best fit. Its all based on Fuel Costs.

Richard Walsh

Senior Captain, A320

DVA210
First Officer, B777-200

Joined on August 07 2001
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South America

111 legs, 617.0 hours
45 legs, 256.9 hours online
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Posted onPost created on March 25 2005 14:02 ET by Nicolas Garcia-Huidobro

But those values are those that Delta use, or are values that you use? Because every airline in it's operating manual should have a value for their flights. For example, in LAN Chile, in the 767 on all flights you must use CI 40 and ECON CRZ, and that's the airline policy. What I ask is if Delta has that policy for their fleet (my interest is mainly the 767).

Thanks!

Posted onPost created on March 25 2005 14:11 ET by Richard Walsh

WOW a CI of 40? Thats a slow cruise........

Richard Walsh

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DVA1892
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271 legs, 726.6 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on March 25 2005 14:26 ET by Gaston Doval

As long as it gets you there, there's objection to it! smile

Thanks Nicolas for the LAN data, I'm gonna try to find out what's SW (Southern Winds) cost index for Don Bosco (763ER)

Cheers!

Gaston Doval (DVA1892)

DVA1583
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Posted onPost created on March 25 2005 14:29 ET by Charly Azcue

British Airways uses CI 40 too (m .78) for long hauls

Regards

Charly Azcue (DVA1583)

DVA1336
First Officer, B757-200

Joined on September 18 2003

Southeastern United States

13 legs, 14.8 hours
5 legs, 7.5 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on March 29 2005 08:38 ET by Phil Mitchell

someone posted the following values on the level-d forum, which i saved:

-Delta:

Aircraft..........ECON...SL1..OT1
B-767-200.........81......54.....243
B-767-300.........94......63.....377
B-767-300ER....113.....75.....377
B-767-400ER....107.....71.....---
_____________________________
Just to explain the above graph he wrote this:
Well, I won't tell you which airline, but...
CI is the acronym for cost index... it may look like CL (but a lowercase L since the site uses a sans serif font).
ECON is for minimum cost operations
SL1 is somewhere around two-thirds of the ECON for even better fuel economy when tailwinds or time-ahead-of-schedule allows
OT1 is used for headwinds or when behind schedule
MNF and MRG values are usually 0 for min fuel or max range

DVA2258
First Officer, B757-200

Joined on April 08 2005

Western United States

20 legs, 37.8 hours
19 legs, 37.4 hours online

Posted onPost created on April 17 2005 13:06 ET by Douglas Whitesell

A trip I recently had the oppurtunity to fly on and observe the FMS preflight gave a cost index of 42 (Atlanta - Burbank, 757-232) which is slow.

Then we went to max range speed, which is slower, whilst we figured out where to stop for gas.

DVA1427
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Posted onPost created on April 17 2005 13:40 ET by Lewis Gregory

Hehe, 377, now that's my kind of cost index!

Lewis Gregory

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DVA630
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Posted onPost created on September 03 2006 18:39 ET by Kenneth Rodriguez

I have this same question now for the 757. Can anyone tell me what cost index figures Delta uses currently for their flights?

Regards.

Kenneth Rodriguez (DVA630)

DVA2285
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Posted onPost created on September 03 2006 22:19 ET by Andrew Musselman

Real World United Airlines uses 100 in all aircraft. [However, Captains may choose to play with it a bit]

DVA3410
First Officer, B777-200

Joined on August 03 2006
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Midwestern United States

116 legs, 380.8 hours
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Posted onPost created on September 27 2006 11:20 ET by Ryan Briggs

i believe cost index is based on Fuel costs and changes on a regular basis and is decided between the Captain and the Dispatcher

Ryan Briggs

First Officer, B777-200

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