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DVA3419
Captain, MD-88
Joined on July 31 2006
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
"Propellers keep you kewl!"
Newark, DE
67 legs, 89.6 hours
61 legs,
82.8 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
June 02 2007 09:13 ET by Norm Hare
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Sorry about starting another post on this subject, but I had some questions/concerns about the new rules that were recently put in place. Let me start by saying that I will be the first to admit that I am not the most active vPilot here. Due to some equipment issues, I haven't logged a flight in quite some time, but I am hoping to have that rectified within the next week or so. (Joystick is flaky...and hoping to get a yoke soon) As I understand the new rules, DVA has placed a cap on total pilots at 2500. I think we all realize that there are a large number of people that haven't logged a flight with DVA in several years, but may still be considered active because they log into the forums once a month or so. At the same time, there are probably a number of new pilots that will discover DVA over the coming weeks that will not be able to join because of the cap. With summer vacation coming to the Northern Hemisphere, I suspect we may have an influx of young people that will discover us, like what they see, but not be able to join the organization due to the new rule. All that being said, I wonder if it is fair not to let potential active pilots in, when there are members who have decidedly made a point not to fly for DVA in a long period of time? Isn't the true measure of a successful VA determined by the number of active vPilots as opposed to number of members? I guess my question is shouldn't we consider removing "Herbaceous Bartholomew Mucklefunk III...DVA000000" from the roster if in fact he signed up 2 years ago but has never logged a flight? Maybe the rule should read "Must log a DVA flight at least every 90 days"
Ok..have at it...just give me a moment to don my armour and grab my shield. 
EDIT: Herbaceous Bartholomew Mucklefunk III was a fictional character invented by myself and several high school buddies years ago to explain away some unusual happenings around the school.
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DVA2351
Captain, B737-800
Joined on May 01 2005
""Whats FS without a Computer?""
Little Rock, AR USA
36 legs, 63.6 hours
23 legs,
41.6 hours online
27 legs,
49.0 hours ACARS
5 legs,
11.6 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
June 02 2007 09:20 ET by Andrew Finne
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I agree but like you I have not logged one in awhile. So this may help me log a flight. I have been busy lately and like you hope to log alot this summer.
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DVA4086
Captain, B777-200
Joined on February 21 2007
Century Club
Online Century Club
"Engines Turn Or Passengers Swim"
Eastern Canada
170 legs, 757.1 hours
165 legs,
748.4 hours online
156 legs,
700.2 hours ACARS
6 legs,
32.5 hours event
268 legs, 1,196.8 hours total
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Posted onPost created on
June 02 2007 09:49 ET by Aggrey Ellis
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I am glad I joined DVA when I did.Yes we should remove inactive pilots and let new ones in. Some pilots have been here for a while and havent flown their first flight. We could have a checkride or skill test to pass for people who want to bypass the system for those wanting to join without waiting.
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DVA043
Senior Captain, MD-11
OLP
Joined on June 10 2001
Event Half Century Club
Online Double Century Club
50 State Club
DVA Twenty-Year Anniversary
Everett 1500 Club
Bi-Millennium Club
Four Million Mile Club
"Col. Panic"
Marietta, GA
2,347 legs, 9,466.0 hours
240 legs,
553.9 hours online
2,005 legs,
8,259.1 hours ACARS
75 legs,
196.3 hours event
2,383 legs, 9,600.9 hours total
91 legs dispatched, 66.4
hours
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Posted onPost created on
June 02 2007 10:21 ET by Luke Kolin
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I think some clarification might be needed here. The 2,500 number refers to pilots who are "Active" or "On Leave". Clearly, there are around 4,000 individuals who have been hired by Delta Virtual Airlines but are no longer active and these individuals are no longer used in the calculation. Since we don't want to have people waiting too long, this is why we reduced the limits on inactivity to provide some more "churn" in the membership rolls and have the inactive folks drop off quicker.
I know David Keech will be keeping an eye on the registration queue over the next few weeks to see how things are working out.
Cheers!
Luke KolinSenior Captain, MD-11
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DVA3373
Captain, B777-200
Joined on July 03 2006
Double Century Club
Online Double Century Club
"Go MAC, you WON'T switch back!!"
Montrose, NY USA
254 legs, 773.8 hours
223 legs,
700.5 hours online
185 legs,
559.0 hours ACARS
14 legs,
41.6 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
June 02 2007 10:34 ET by Chris Donato
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| Hey Luke, about how many people sign up for DVA a day?
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DVA3119
First Officer, A350-900
Joined on May 08 2006
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
Everett 250 Club
Million Mile Club
Six Century Club
Online Triple Century Club
Sioux Falls, SD USA
665 legs, 2,625.6 hours
321 legs,
908.9 hours online
619 legs,
2,500.8 hours ACARS
6 legs,
17.9 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
June 02 2007 10:38 ET by Justin Taylor
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I'm glad you brought this up Norm. Personally I couldn't agree more with the staffs decision to put a limit on how many people can join DVA. With the limitations we have like CP's, ACP's, DVA flight instructors, etc. you have got to draw a line and say we can't handle anymore right now. I also personally feel that now that we have a waiting list and limited spots we need to have higher standards for people to maintain their membership here.
You have 45 days to log into the website and we even remind you at 30 days! Come on!!! Now I realize that not everyone has free time often and that some folks are just down and out busy, but logging into our website once in 45 days doesn't make you an active participating member to me. I personally would like to see that DVA require some type of actual "flight" requirement on a relatively timely basis (possibly even on ACARS, to prevent false pireps) but I do understand that not everyone uses ACARS and I also realize that a flight a month can be to much for some people during certain times of the year (it was for me during March) It happens, that's fine! We have to allow for that. I feel that there has to be some type of allowance given to guys like you that have a good legitimate reason they can't fly, yet you still find the time to remain active in the watercooler..... and you also love the DC-9 which has to account for something. 
I know a member who joined and was very active when he started, but then quit flying and hasn't submitted a flight for over 8 months, but he checks his email and whenever he gets his reminder from DVA that he has been inactive he goes "Oh yeah" and logs into the site because he doesn't want to get kicked out for some reason. Now I ask you. Does that make him an active member? I think not.
It is my personal opinion that since the roster is limited we have to make sure that we don't fill it with a bunch of people who fly 1 flight a year (maybe) but log into the website every 30 days because we remind them to. I understand that the personalities and reasons people joined DVA vary greatly. We have some hardcore simmers and some that just want to learn more about aviation and give a little more purpose to their flight simming while they do. I know that we can't expect everyone to devote themselves the way that some do, but I do think we make it way to easy to maintain membership here.
When we have people knocking on the door who want to be active participating members there is no reason to carry the freeloaders.
Justin TaylorFirst Officer, A350-900
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DVA4086
Captain, B777-200
Joined on February 21 2007
Century Club
Online Century Club
"Engines Turn Or Passengers Swim"
Eastern Canada
170 legs, 757.1 hours
165 legs,
748.4 hours online
156 legs,
700.2 hours ACARS
6 legs,
32.5 hours event
268 legs, 1,196.8 hours total
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Posted onPost created on
June 02 2007 10:51 ET by Aggrey Ellis
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Especially people who have been here for a year and havent flown their first flight,yet have started a whole other VA, and those who just leech our forums and resources.
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DVA1884
Captain, B737-800
Joined on September 05 2004
"X-Plane 11.41, Windows 10"
Topeka, KS
79 legs, 125.2 hours
25 legs,
40.9 hours online
65 legs,
103.9 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
June 02 2007 13:19 ET by John Stockton
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I totally agree with Justin. my .02 cents.
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DVA3196
Senior Captain, MD-11
OLP, COMM
Joined on June 03 2006
Online Double Century Club
50 State Club
Six Century Club
"pitchpowertrim.com"
Anderson, MO
619 legs, 1,093.4 hours
292 legs,
503.1 hours online
580 legs,
1,026.5 hours ACARS
89 legs,
191.0 hours event
236 legs dispatched, 110.1
hours
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Posted onPost created on
June 02 2007 13:49 ET by Michael Brown
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Having to log in at least every 45 days sounds fair enough and is easily done even by the busiest of people. It is also my opinion that DVA should have an ACARS flight rule as well. If your computer can run FS well enough for you to file a PIREP, then your computer can run ACARS too, there isn't any reason why you can't that I can think of. Perhaps at least one ACARS flight every 45 days as well. Some of members seem to only want to participate in the forum, and not actually fly along side of us. I remember one guy who was advertising his own VA in this forum just several weeks ago....a member like that should be given the boot....unfortunately I don't recall his name.
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DVA4086
Captain, B777-200
Joined on February 21 2007
Century Club
Online Century Club
"Engines Turn Or Passengers Swim"
Eastern Canada
170 legs, 757.1 hours
165 legs,
748.4 hours online
156 legs,
700.2 hours ACARS
6 legs,
32.5 hours event
268 legs, 1,196.8 hours total
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Posted onPost created on
June 02 2007 14:10 ET by Aggrey Ellis
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i do recall his name although I wont say it her.
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DVA3952
Captain, MD-88
Joined on September 07 2006
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
"Airbus, Mcdonnell Douglas"
Chicago, IL USA
85 legs, 161.3 hours
51 legs,
106.0 hours online
77 legs,
141.3 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
June 02 2007 17:11 ET by Alex Jevdic
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Micheal, the one ACARS pirep every 45 days may be a problem to people who don't have an internet connection. So they may participate in the water cooler and file pireps at work, school, public library, etc.
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DVA3419
Captain, MD-88
Joined on July 31 2006
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
"Propellers keep you kewl!"
Newark, DE
67 legs, 89.6 hours
61 legs,
82.8 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
June 03 2007 08:41 ET by Norm Hare
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Are there really that many DVA pilots without an internet connection? Even NETZERO offers a free dialup service with limited hours. Filing a PIREP can't take more than a handful of seconds. In my mind, I can't imagine anyone joining a VA and not having access to the internet. If it means sneaker netting the file to a place that does...so be it.
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DVA2192
Senior Captain, A320
OLP
Joined on March 14 2005
50 State Club
Million Mile Club
Flying Colonel
Online Fifteen Century
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
Long Beach 500 Club
Attleboro, MA USA
1,703 legs, 3,149.7 hours
1,635 legs,
2,989.8 hours online
1,667 legs,
3,076.4 hours ACARS
3 legs,
5.5 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
June 03 2007 09:31 ET by Richard Walsh
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If they don't have an internet connection, how do they log in ? How did they join? They won't be able to remain active if they can't log in every 45 days.
Richard WalshSenior Captain, A320
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DVA613
Senior Captain, B727-200
OLP, VFRADV
Joined on June 17 2002
50 State Club
Events Century Club
Million Mile Club
US Coastal Club
US Mountaineer Club
Commuter Conquest
Globetrotter
Everett Millennium Club
Bi-Millennium Club
Online Twenty Century
DVA Twenty-Year Anniversary
"Beware of the Green Baron!"
Charlotte, NC USA
2,509 legs, 4,025.8 hours
2,328 legs,
3,644.8 hours online
2,142 legs,
3,186.8 hours ACARS
130 legs,
238.7 hours event
165 legs dispatched, 103.9
hours
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Posted onPost created on
June 03 2007 09:37 ET by David Keech
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Guys, a pilot can contribute more by helping out people here in the cooler with his knowledge of aviation and real world experience than logging flights. Look at our CFI's they log flights, but give more in thier work in the Academy than any 777 pilot could by logging 2 flights a day.
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DVA3672
Senior Captain, A320
OLP
E-MAIL
Joined on October 29 2006
B757 100 Club
50 State Club
Two Million Mile Club
Bi-Millennium Club
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
US Capital Club
Toulouse Millennium Club
Online Fifteen Century
"Chris, NOT in Seattle"
Northeastern United States
2,534 legs, 6,223.1 hours
1,537 legs,
3,252.2 hours online
2,243 legs,
5,407.0 hours ACARS
4 legs,
6.0 hours event
2 legs dispatched, 19.5
hours
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Posted onPost created on
June 03 2007 10:31 ET by Chris Frasure
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Welll, I am very active guys and since SP1 for FSX, ACARS will not work on my system. It crashes FSX every time. I am trying to figure it out. So, is it fair that I have that problem and could be kicked out if I don't fix it for 45 days? I think not. I disagree with the ACARS flight log for membership, It is not plausible. However, I do think you should file a legit PIREP via ACARS or MANUALLY for membership, not just log in.
CF
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DVA3419
Captain, MD-88
Joined on July 31 2006
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
"Propellers keep you kewl!"
Newark, DE
67 legs, 89.6 hours
61 legs,
82.8 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
June 03 2007 10:48 ET by Norm Hare
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David Keech wrote "Guys, a pilot can contribute more by helping out people here in the cooler with his knowledge of aviation and real world experience than logging flights. Look at our CFI's they log flights, but give more in thier work in the Academy than any 777 pilot could by logging 2 flights a day."
I totally understand this, but in my opinion there are more members that do not contribute to the cooler than do. Sorry if I am being an itch about this, but if you are going to put restrictions on the number of pilots that can join, I believe you also need to toughen the rules that allow them to stay as members. Does that not make sense??
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DVA2370
Senior Captain, B737-800
OLP, COMM, VFRADV
Joined on May 26 2005
Online Triple Century Club
Commuter Conquest
Six Century Club
Stage 1 Prop Triple Century Club
50 State Club
US Coastal Club
DVA Twenty-Year Anniversary
Flagler Beach, FL USA
675 legs, 726.8 hours
319 legs,
311.4 hours online
179 legs,
146.1 hours ACARS
1 legs,
1.6 hours event
0 legs dispatched, 4.0
hours
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Posted onPost created on
June 03 2007 11:53 ET by Scott Clarke
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To: DK From: Ted E Bear 
Subject: Kudos for Flight Academy
Thxs TEB 
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DVA071
Senior Captain, B757-200
Joined on July 03 2001
Triple Century Club
Online Triple Century Club
Weston, MA USA
375 legs, 1,827.1 hours
310 legs,
1,535.6 hours online
159 legs,
991.1 hours ACARS
2 legs,
14.5 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
June 03 2007 12:30 ET by Geoffrey Smith
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| I for one, really appreciate DVA's structure of just logging into the site. I know there are many full time students in the airline and a PIREP every month can be very hard to schedule but I tend to fly the heck out of summer and breaks. Yet during the winter, I can find the time to browse the cooler (in fact, it's a good distraction) and make a post. If it wouldn't create bad posts, I would almost think that the rule could be a contribution to the cooler or a flight every 45 days.
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DVA1029
Captain, A320
Joined on January 06 2003
Stage 1 Jet Century Club
Quatercentenary Club
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
Online Quadruple Century Club
"Take a walk on the wild side"
Wettingen, Aargau Switzerland
444 legs, 1,020.8 hours
415 legs,
965.3 hours online
398 legs,
922.6 hours ACARS
1 legs,
3.1 hours event
482 legs, 1,087.3 hours total
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Posted onPost created on
June 03 2007 20:27 ET by Robert Vermeulen
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Personally, i think you guys are right. Things should depend on flights activity, and not on how many times you log in into a website. But.....i can understand the motivation, as David wrote, that a pilot can contribute more by helping out people here in the cooler with his knowledge of aviation and real world experience than logging flights. I mean, only flying a flight, once a month, doesnt bring the VA forwards. Knowledge of people is also very important, sometimes more important as flying your flights. The activity on the website brings people also closer, just as the chatoption in ACARS also does, you can share things, discuss things and a lot more. To distinguish the VA from, lets say, ordinary VA's, Delta fullfilles all pilots needs. I think, there a lot of issues wich you can discuss, if they are right or wrong, but so many people, so many opinions. For me, its important, that i find all i need in the Delta VA, lots of extra's wich other VA's never will have. The staff, created many many nice stuff for us all. Thats for me a reason, to accept staff's decisions, if i agree or not. But its always good and productive to discuss things once in a while 
Robert VermeulenCaptain, A320
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DVA4086
Captain, B777-200
Joined on February 21 2007
Century Club
Online Century Club
"Engines Turn Or Passengers Swim"
Eastern Canada
170 legs, 757.1 hours
165 legs,
748.4 hours online
156 legs,
700.2 hours ACARS
6 legs,
32.5 hours event
268 legs, 1,196.8 hours total
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Posted onPost created on
June 03 2007 21:26 ET by Aggrey Ellis
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We should just cast off those that havent flown a single flight.
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DVA4202
Captain, B767-300
Joined on March 16 2007
Century Club
Dallas, TX
124 legs, 286.5 hours
37 legs,
96.0 hours online
56 legs,
142.1 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
June 04 2007 14:15 ET by Mark Allen
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I am also in agreement with the comments in this thread. It seems to me that eveyone is gravitating towards the idea that to be classified as "Active," an employee should fall under one of two headings:
1 - flown in the last 45 days, or
2 - actively contribute to advancing the organization.
This latter classification would include the admins, academy instructors, etc. that may devote their time to helping us, rather than flying. But this second classificastion includes ONLY those people with formal positions. I can appreciate the experience and help of people that may not fit into either of these headings....BUT
1) we are making an assumption that their absence would not be filled by equally qualified others that currently may not post replies b/c someone beat them to it, and
2) since limiting the number of pilots to 2500 is another move towards how a company works in the real world, then perhaps DVA should go the full distance and classify "active" as those pilots that generate more "reputation/revenue/equity," whatever you want to call it.
PS For the people that say they cannot fly a flight in 45 days: I sympathize...but come on...surely you can find time to do a short hop from ATL to Savannah, for example.
Just some thoughts...and kudos to everyone for carrying on this discussion with professionalism. 
Mark
Mark AllenCaptain, B767-300
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DVA3356
Captain, B727-200
Joined on July 15 2006
Poynton, Cheshire GB
38 legs, 80.6 hours
7 legs,
19.3 hours online
27 legs,
63.1 hours ACARS
2 legs,
9.2 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
June 07 2007 10:55 ET by Andrew Melia
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Interesting... I flew quite a bit at the start, but my partner said I was getting a bit "obsessive" about it and had to curb it! My "problem" is, off course, the time difference between me, in the UK and you guys over there, who are all still at work/college/whatever when I'm available... infact I haven't actually flown a flight for quite a few months now, on or off line, BUT, and its a big but, and y'all should be proud it is so... This VA has the best site out there... the knowledge you have, the ratings tests, the superb PPL program, the resources available and especially the water cooler. There are only a handful of VAs that offer the depth and breadth of knowledge, regular flyins, group flights, training, instruction, and real-time acars, guidance, advice and support from CPs and ACPs... What this VA has, NO OTHER VA can offer in one place. NONE. Even though I feel a bit guilty about not having flown a route in so long, I'm proud to be a member here, and and have access to the site, I have even been able to contribute some assistance of my own every now and again.
But I take the point that if we want to "belong" we should fly a route every so often, and its perfectly understandable to need to limit the membership. Maybe we should have two levels of membership - one that gives website access only, kind of like an "associate" membership, and one that allows us to use ACARS and fly routes, on or off line. We could suffix a members ID with an "A" for associate membership. That way, the number of "active" pilots is restricted and manageable, but if for whatever reason, a pilot can't make the minimum required flights in 45 days or whatever, his/her membership is reduced to "associate". Cant be hard to do, as when I log in the website tells me which program I'm on, how many flights/hours etc and most importantly when I filed my last PIREP. It must get that information from some kind of database, so a couple of "IF, THEN, ELSE" type routines should sort out the technicalities, so it won't need managing by hand...
1) all new pilots get automatic associate membership, access to the cooler and the wealth of information available to digest, contribute and enjoy.
2) when the active list drops below a certain count value - say 200 - the member who's been an associate longest, gets offered a position on the active list - they can click ACCEPT or NOT YET, in which case the next person along can have a shot at it.
3) if the date of last PIREP is older than 30 days, an active pilot gets his reminder, if no pirep is filed, or no leave request received at 45 days, they automatically get dropped to the Associate member list, their "put on waiting list" start date is set to "today" - ie to get back on the active list, they will have to wait as long as if they had just signed up.
3) if they get to 90 days with no login to the site, they get dropped altogether.
I'm sure some of this is already in place. The point is this. Because this is the best VA out there, and because it has the best website, we shouldn't restrict membership to only those that actually fly regular routes. We have a great hobby, shared by millions, even those that don't acually fly passenger routes.
Andrew MeliaCaptain, B727-200
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DVA3355
Senior Captain, B777-200
Joined on July 19 2006
Online Century Club
Flying Colonel
Everett 1500 Club
Four Million Mile Club
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
"guiding you home..."
Denver, CO USA
1,959 legs, 8,711.6 hours
181 legs,
715.0 hours online
1,891 legs,
8,382.8 hours ACARS
18 legs,
67.1 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
June 07 2007 11:31 ET by Daniel Hodnik
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"Guys, a pilot can contribute more by helping out people here in the cooler with his knowledge of aviation and real world experience than logging flights. Look at our CFI's they log flights, but give more in thier work in the Academy than any 777 pilot could by logging 2 flights a day."
hey, that sounds like me. ill start flying less 
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DVA043
Senior Captain, MD-11
OLP
Joined on June 10 2001
Event Half Century Club
Online Double Century Club
50 State Club
DVA Twenty-Year Anniversary
Everett 1500 Club
Bi-Millennium Club
Four Million Mile Club
"Col. Panic"
Marietta, GA
2,347 legs, 9,466.0 hours
240 legs,
553.9 hours online
2,005 legs,
8,259.1 hours ACARS
75 legs,
196.3 hours event
2,383 legs, 9,600.9 hours total
91 legs dispatched, 66.4
hours
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Posted onPost created on
June 07 2007 11:34 ET by Luke Kolin
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Right now, our restrictions on site logins every 45 days appear to be having the desired effect; we're in the 2200-2300 pilot range and have been so for a few days now. I don't see any plans among the staff for any further changes to membership with possibly one exception - we're looking to institute a requirement that pilots log a single flight within 14 days of joining. I don't consider that too onerous.
We have always recognized that we have a very diverse pilot community that contributes in different ways. We don't want to throw up additional roadblocks to membership. At the same time, we want to keep our size limited to something that allows us to provide good services and benefits to our members without growing too large. We're aiming to have 2,500 of the most committed and enthusiastic pilots. If in a few months we remain locked at that limit and the wait list gets too long, then we may take another look at things. Until then, I think we're going to leave things alone.
Cheers!
Luke KolinSenior Captain, MD-11
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DVA3952
Captain, MD-88
Joined on September 07 2006
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
"Airbus, Mcdonnell Douglas"
Chicago, IL USA
85 legs, 161.3 hours
51 legs,
106.0 hours online
77 legs,
141.3 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
June 07 2007 13:25 ET by Alex Jevdic
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Is there such a limit to AFV?
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DVA4086
Captain, B777-200
Joined on February 21 2007
Century Club
Online Century Club
"Engines Turn Or Passengers Swim"
Eastern Canada
170 legs, 757.1 hours
165 legs,
748.4 hours online
156 legs,
700.2 hours ACARS
6 legs,
32.5 hours event
268 legs, 1,196.8 hours total
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Posted onPost created on
June 09 2007 13:07 ET by Aggrey Ellis
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I dont see any. This might help increase AFV membership.
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DVA4114
Captain, B737-800
Joined on February 25 2007
Gardner, KS USA
42 legs, 76.8 hours
32 legs,
62.2 hours online
35 legs,
65.8 hours ACARS
7 legs,
15.4 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
June 09 2007 21:01 ET by Jason Draper
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1. I like the idea of an associate membership, in the event that the management starts seeing a large queue of people waiting. I suggested something similar in another post.
2. One reason this rule was enacted was to relieve the burden placed on administration. My question is, if a pilot never files flight reports, and doesn't log in that much, how are they being a burden on the administration?
BTW, I don't really have strong feelings one way or the other. I do feel, however, that if we have a long queue of people waiting while we continue to keep people who marginally contribute to the VA, we may be excluding some great people that could contribute a lot (like future CFI's, chief pilots, and all around good people). I'd hate to keep them out just because some guy that logs in every 45 days is technically filling a slot.
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