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Delta Virtual Airlines Water Cooler \| Airline Operations \| Aircraft Rotation
DVA5330 First Officer, B767-300 Joined on November 18 2007 "Fortune befriends the bold" Western Europe 20 legs, 82.5 hours 17 legs, 72.1 hours online 19 legs, 75.2 hours ACARS	Posted onPost created on February 18 2008 12:05 ET by Bernardo Carvalho
	Ok as i understand, a flight is done without any following by the system, so you position a certain tail number in a place, but in the system that is not registered, the fleet as no flight following! I would like know if that is going to be implemented in the future...I remember having flown for UPSvac and those guys had a pretty nice rotation system, where you flew the aircrfat from point A to B, and when you access the site the aircraft is really in point B, and you have to start your flight from point B with that tail number you just positioned or take a JumpSeat to another airport... I don't know if you guys understood me, sorry for my english but I'm from Portugal...
DVA4890 Captain, B747-400 OLP Joined on August 22 2007 Million Mile Club Online Double Century Club 50 State Club Millennium Club "Jesus is my co-pilot" McDonough, GA USA 1,022 legs, 3,005.6 hours 330 legs, 1,101.7 hours online 948 legs, 2,807.1 hours ACARS 59 legs, 156.7 hours event	Posted onPost created on February 18 2008 12:23 ET by Mark Fetters
	i dont understand so what is it now dumb it down for us
DVA5330 First Officer, B767-300 Joined on November 18 2007 "Fortune befriends the bold" Western Europe 20 legs, 82.5 hours 17 legs, 72.1 hours online 19 legs, 75.2 hours ACARS	Posted onPost created on February 18 2008 13:02 ET by Bernardo Carvalho
	So ill put it down this way... When you fly at DVA, you ar enot flying a tail number, you are just filling ours with "no purpose", because the aircraft is not moving within the website system! The example I gave is a system where aircraft move around the airports, imagine, you are in KATL and you want to do a flight from KATL to SCEL, you choose an available B767-300ER that is located in KATL, for instance N183DN, so you reserve that aircraft, make the flight, and when you arrive at SCEL, its not only you that is in SCEL, but the aircraft is also there, and it shows in the system, so if anyone after this flight, makes a new one starting from KATL to lets say LIRF, with the same aircraft (N183DN), that wouldnt be possible because the aircraft is in SCEL...
DVA3931 Senior Captain, L-1011-100 OLP, COMM Joined on January 19 2007 50 State Club Tri-Jet Triumph Million Mile Club Online Quadruple Century Club Flying Colonel Globetrotter Burbank 500 Club Eurocap Club DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary "De oppresso liber" Surry, ME 1,882 legs, 3,806.7 hours 478 legs, 767.8 hours online 1,107 legs, 1,674.5 hours ACARS 55 legs, 114.8 hours event 195 legs dispatched, 134.4 hours	Posted onPost created on February 18 2008 13:11 ET by Andrew Kaufmann
	Detailed Dispatch
DVA1583 Senior Captain, MD-11 OLP Joined on March 23 2004 Everett 250 Club Online Six Century Club 50 State Club DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary Seven Century Club South America 710 legs, 1,938.2 hours 619 legs, 1,760.2 hours online 589 legs, 1,630.3 hours ACARS 16 legs, 61.2 hours event	Posted onPost created on February 18 2008 13:21 ET by Charly Azcue
	That's the system United uses if I'm not mistaken. DVA will need to create and run a 24/7 database with the aircraft positions and pilots will need to 'reserve' the aircraft. How you propose to 'move' certain aircraft from certain destinations ? Also i believe we will need to cheat and create several ghost a/cs ...for example in the 757 or MD88 programs you will find aircrafts 'cause we have lots of them (136 & 117) but what about the 777's ?? there's only eight (8) 777 available...imagine that only 8 people will be able to fly them during the day,what about during weekends or group flights ?.. IMHO this is more realistic BUT will restrict the fun on certain a/c programs. Regards
DVA5330 First Officer, B767-300 Joined on November 18 2007 "Fortune befriends the bold" Western Europe 20 legs, 82.5 hours 17 legs, 72.1 hours online 19 legs, 75.2 hours ACARS	Posted onPost created on February 18 2008 13:42 ET by Bernardo Carvalho
	Point taken Charly! I was just refering, because I saw it when at UPSvac...and I continue seeing where I am now at SATA Virtual, at UPSvac they solved the problem well, they have a big fleet, but i don't believe they had problems with short fleets (hehehe), at SATA Virtual, we only have 13 aircraft to manage, makes it hard but a pilot gets used to fly as per aircrfat position, and for a suggestive rotation the dispatch service releases every week assignements, they are mere suggestions, but if you arrange with pilots that are within those assignements you can coordinate the rotations! It's a bit hard, we only have one person handling that, the departments is called planning and crew direction, but we only have 13 aircraft to manage 55 crews plus 6 in certification! Even so, a NOTAM had to be released on intial operation, stating that crews should to the best to keep aircraft at the base, so if you do the outbound leg, the inbound leg should be done ASAP: NOTAM ID: 46 Type: ISO (Internal Service Order) From: ADMINISTRATION To: ALL Valid From: 2006/02/05 Valid Until: PERMANENT Description: PILOTS SHALL DO THEIR BEST TO KEEP THE AIRCRAFTS IN PORTUGUESE TERRITORY, OR FLY THEM BACK AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. IF FLIGHT BELONGS TO ASSIGNMENT, PILOTS SHALL CONTACT NEXT PILOT IN SEQUENCE TO COORDINATE RETURN FLIGHT. OTHER SITUATIONS SHALL BE COORDINATED BY USING MESSAGE CONTROL SYSTEM FOR AIRCRAFT POSITIONING REQUESTS.
DVA1583 Senior Captain, MD-11 OLP Joined on March 23 2004 Everett 250 Club Online Six Century Club 50 State Club DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary Seven Century Club South America 710 legs, 1,938.2 hours 619 legs, 1,760.2 hours online 589 legs, 1,630.3 hours ACARS 16 legs, 61.2 hours event	Posted onPost created on February 18 2008 13:54 ET by Charly Azcue
	Now escalate that to 449 active aircraft + plus historical aircrafts + 2,314 active pilots with an airline average of 6,000 / 7,000 flights per month Regards
DVA5330 First Officer, B767-300 Joined on November 18 2007 "Fortune befriends the bold" Western Europe 20 legs, 82.5 hours 17 legs, 72.1 hours online 19 legs, 75.2 hours ACARS	Posted onPost created on February 18 2008 14:12 ET by Bernardo Carvalho
	Yes...UPSvac But I get you point of view chief! It's a bit utopic...no problem in keep dreaming hey!
DVA1583 Senior Captain, MD-11 OLP Joined on March 23 2004 Everett 250 Club Online Six Century Club 50 State Club DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary Seven Century Club South America 710 legs, 1,938.2 hours 619 legs, 1,760.2 hours online 589 legs, 1,630.3 hours ACARS 16 legs, 61.2 hours event	Posted onPost created on February 18 2008 14:25 ET by Charly Azcue
	Not turning down this at all, just giving you my point of view You flew to Brazil for a few days last month ? or it was to Uruguay ? bear with me, you know with age you start to lose the memory how was it ? we have a rule here.. you have to share the a/c pics... Regards
DVA5330 First Officer, B767-300 Joined on November 18 2007 "Fortune befriends the bold" Western Europe 20 legs, 82.5 hours 17 legs, 72.1 hours online 19 legs, 75.2 hours ACARS	Posted onPost created on February 18 2008 15:02 ET by Bernardo Carvalho
	Sorry for that...I'm not an avid photographer but i promise from now on ill get better, on my way to install FRAPS
DVA3512 Captain, B737-800 Joined on September 04 2006 Western United States 54 legs, 146.3 hours	Posted onPost created on February 18 2008 17:50 ET by Barry Harmon
	One big issue with a detailed dispatch type of system where each aircraft's movements are tracked is that inevitably you will end up with aircraft in places that nobody wants to fly from. You also have the potential for abuse, whereby pilots will make a flight in a particular aircraft, then immediately reserve that aircraft again even if they have no intention of making another flight. By playing the reservation system it is possible for one pilot to keep a particular aircraft reserved in perpetuity, even if they only fly it once or twice a week. I saw exactly that situation at UPSVAC when I flew there. Want a "prestige" aircraft such as a 747 or a 767? Good luck, you're going to need it. The "lesser" aircraft, on the other hand, could sit unused for weeks at a time. It's a system that's open for abuse. DVA, as Charly pointed out, would have the additional problem of roughly 4 times the number of pilots as there are aircraft for them to fly. For any rotation system to work we'd have to start limiting how many flights someone could make, just so that everyone gets to fly at least once a week. With some programs it would be far worse because the ratio of pilots to aircraft is much, much higher. Given that such a system, while potentially interesting, is just unworkable for this VA.
DVA5434 Captain, B767-300 Joined on January 14 2008 Black Pearl Club Toulouse Century Club DVA Ten-Year Anniversary Triple Century Club Southeastern United States 319 legs, 1,299.2 hours 313 legs, 1,268.9 hours ACARS	Posted onPost created on February 20 2008 23:08 ET by Chris Radev
	The more Charly fights it the more attractive the proposal becomes. But I like many others, know implementing it is a nightmare and might backfire.

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